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Patch du 30.10.2002
Par Gothmog le 30/10/2002 à 14:46:55 (#2440783)
Hello all,
This month's update focuses on addressing player concerns related to balance and bug-fixing, as well as adding some new features based on your suggestions. The stability of our launch has allowed us to focus on these quick improvements and tweaks the community has requested. Of course, we're also working feverishly on revising schedules and getting larger features and enhancements underway sooner than we originally anticipated!
In celebration of Halloween, we've added some spooky surprises. Since so much of the holiday centers around having a great costume, we've given everyone a special mask to wear for the duration. Don't worry, your normal good looks will return! Additionally, the fine folks at Tada-O (Big! Strong! Wow!) have an interest in developing a new line of products that celebrate the ancient Halloween holiday. Be sure you find and visit a Tada-O Spokesperson to help them with their research. They will begin taking surveys on Wednesday, October 30th at around 5:00p Pacific Time. The Tada-O promotion will end on Friday, November 1st at 12:01a Pacific Time. The art and sound teams had a lot of fun working with the community team to create our special Halloween content. We hope you enjoy!
Here are the rest of the highlights:
Groups can now be formed in starbases. Additionally you can see group status bars while in starbases.
You can now move items between your cargo hold and your vault (back and forth) quickly by using a shift + right-click combination.
We've adjusted the level of mobs which pop out of asteroids while they're being prospected. Now they are based on the prospector's combat level. You shouldn't have difficulties fighting or evading mobs when you're prospecting in asteroid fields that contain resources of a level that is within two levels of your Prospect Skill.
The exploration experience you gain while prospecting has been increased by 30%.
We've doubled your speed on planets.
You'll notice better feedback about damage taken and delivered during combat.
Guild bugs related to chat and the loss of guild tags have been fixed.
The Summon Enemy skill is now interrupted if the target takes any damage, to help with kill-stealing complaints.
The Trade XP cap for selling trade goods is increased by 25 per level of Negotiate starting with Negotiate level 3.
Mobs over level 120 (total) now have loot items from a special set.
Jenquai Defenders are now able to learn the Build Devices Skill at level 30.
You will notice an audible beep when you receive a private message (tell).
We've identified and fixed the schematics bug that prevented you from learning more than 128 device schematics.
Trade good items now list the stations, sectors and systems where they are in demand.
The random mission terminals now refresh jobs every three minutes and have doubled the number of missions that are available after a refresh. You will still not see jobs that are 15 levels higher than you are or ones being offered by sponsors that don't like you based upon your faction. You can take two missions every six minutes currently.
Lots of mission tweaks and fixes, including the Jenquai Level 30 Promotion mission. Please see the details below.
There have been a lot of changes, the list above is merely a small subset of the community's most frequently requested changes. We're always eager to hear your feedback and suggestions and encourage you to continue posting on the Earth & Beyond Forums.
Enjoy!
- Cerdith
Details:
General
Added Halloween Event art, sounds and community event.
Website improvements (Fansite listing, fansite kit, homepage layout, guild page changes, producer letter section, fan submissions improvements)
Changed screenshot key to save as BMP.
Alt-tab with no other applications except Earth & Beyond should no longer confine the mouse to the top left corner of the screen.
Ability to put/remove items to/from vault quickly (shift - right click)
Sound effect now plays when you receive a private message.
Exploration
We've increased prospecting experience by 30%.
We've Increased ship speed (including NPC ships) in planet mode by approximately 2x.
We've tweaked the level of the mobs that pop out of asteroids when you're prospecting. If you are mining in asteroid fields yielding resources of a tech level equal to or less than your Prospect Skill + 2 you should be able to kill the resulting mob or enact a timely exit. In fields yielding resources of a tech level greater than your Prospect Skill + 2 the risk of incapacitation is greatly increased. The level of the mob spawned is based upon the prospector's combat level.
When attempting to enter the shield bubble protecting the 'Soul of Mazzaroth' in the Mazzaroth Maelstrom, you may wish to be a bit more cautious.
We've made changes to Warposts and their Guardians in Mazzaroth.
Researchers report a new behavior for the Juoona and Juoona Matriarchs in Swooping Eagle, which pulls travelers out of warp.
Some navigation paths have been improved in the Mars Alpha sector (Nav Survey 1 to Centuriata Way 2, Centuriata Way 2 to Nav Trade Fire 1, Docking Buoy to Nav Search and Destroy 1).
We've added a Guardian Turret at Fenris Prime Observatory.
We've added a Gate Guard added near Sector Gate to Mars in Mars Beta Blue.
We've moved hostile mobs outside of Trader's Fort in Ragnarok a bit further from the station.
We've added the ACBN Relay and the Mazzeroth Shear to the Galaxy map.
Fixed a bug where stargates into Mars Beta from Mars and Freya from Akeron's Gate were dropping the player very far away from the gate.
Fixed a bug where the Nommos Point in Aganju Sector was too hard to find.
Fixed a bug where players were placed inside Dahin Planet in Dahin Sector when leaving Dahin Planet Sector.
Trade
The Trade XP cap for selling trade goods is increased by 25 per level of Negotiate starting with Negotiate level 3.
We've convinced Master Zensei and Master Orosu to allow Jenquai Defenders to aquire the build devices skill at level 30 instead of 40.
Manufacturing/refining terminals will now update cost, difficulty, etc. when players upgrade manufacturing/prospect skills.
We were able to duplicate and fix the trade recipe problem that was causing everything to disappear after a group reached 128 known. Thanks to all of you that helped us isolate the bug!
Added sector and system information to trade good items. Now the item description lists starbase, sector, and system where the trade good can be sold for a profit.
Added Juterna Gratus (Tech 2 Components), Justus Flavius (Tech 3 Components), Pietas Tuccius (Tech 4 Components), Adrian Valgus (Tech 8 Components), and Selene Gavius (Tech 9 Components) to Arx Magister starbase in Mars sector.
Jess Edarte, the trade goods vendor in Somerled (New Edinburgh), will now send Scinnies to Mercury Station, rather than Tripples.
Fixed a bug that prevented you from manufacturing Sam Bogeril's Manifesto.
Fixed a bug that required you to talk to vendors multiple times to get them to discuss other trade routes.
Fixed a bug with manufacturing unique items
Fixed a bug that prevented Net-7 Daily News Updates from being sold by the trade goods vendor on Net-7 Sol.
Fixed a bug that prevented Chocolate & Beer items from giving trade experience on trade routes.
Fixed a problem with inventory check with partial stacks for player trades
Fixed a minor bug with the player built Manes Refinement items not refining Mane Essences.
Combat
If player A does more than 50% damage to a mob, and player B comes along and delivers the killing blow which does more than player A did in total, player A will still receive the credit for killing the mob.
Ambushing pirates will no longer attack the player if he pays their toll.
You will get more detailed information on damage done as well as damage suffered during fights.
Missile strikes will now show critical hits.
Cloak, Fold Space, and Summon now follow the standard interrupt rules (threshold value that must be reached during the powerup phase).
Earth corps defense turrets on Zweihander Planet can no longer be damaged.
Judas Towers on Endriago can now fire in all directions. In addition these towers are no longer subject to damage from players.
Summon Enemy is interrupted if the target takes any damage whatsoever, to address kill-stealing issues.
Fold Space no longer freezes the user or the target; its powerup phase is now like most other activated skills.
Warping now uses the new interrupt system.
MOB corpses and death explosions now vary by MOB type.
Mobs over level 120 that did not already drop unique items now drop items from a set.
The damage types were not gaining their respective bonuses and penalties when applied to hulls. Chem and Impact damage now gain the damage bonus versus hulls that was originally intended. Rather than nerf Plasma, Energy, and Impact to their originally intended penalties vs. hulls, we've left these damage types alone.
We've Modified Level 5 Gravity Link to become a resist debuff, rather than the maneuverability debuff.
NPCs use their snare item with a frequency that depends on their level. High level NPCs use it heavily, lower levels use it more sporadically.
The percentage of hull is now normalized when doing damage calculations for hull hits. Progen are no longer penalized for having a larger hull and taking more hull hits.
Modified (increased) Hull Patch's healing-to-energy ratios at levels 5, 6, and 7.
Increased spawn rate of Maelstrom Whelps near Arx Promethincus in Tarsis.
Fixed a problem where an NPC would not use Shield Inversion after it had been menaced.
Fixed problems that occurred when a player is incapacitated while docking.
Fixed a bug that allowed players to receive multiple jumpstarts per incapacitation.
Fixed a bug that occurred if a player activated a weapon while powered down, they could no longer use that level of power down until they zoned.
Fixed a bug that caused some NPCs to be frozen in place after spawning.
Fixed a bug where turrets in High Earth, Arduinne and Odin Rex sector could be killed with impunity by players with long range weapons. Watch out, these turrets now have a much longer range.
Missions
Jobs offered by factions affiliated with a starbase are now offered at terminals where appropriate. This affects Trader's Fort, Aragoth Station, and Mercury Station most visibly on this pass. More jobs are offered at terminals and they refresh more often.
As part of the ongoing improvements to the Random Mission System, we have added faction rewards! Completing missions will now improve your faction with the employing faction. Combat missions will more accurately reflect the job difficulty. In response to requests, we have also reduced the amount of time between missions from 15 minutes to 6. Two new mission types are now available, one to deploy a satellite around a planetary body, and the other to jettison a little trash into the atmosphere so it can burn away. More to come!
The old "Mazzaroth Key" mission replaced with a more robust one; old mission automatically converts to new one. Any players confused about the change up should go speak to Ayako Ravenlock.
The rescue mission (Xipe Totec Sector) completely rewritten. The script now includes a personalized mob that is spawned for the user.
Other players can no longer destroy your Progen Transport ship on "Masaaki's Vengeance" mission.
Ariad will no longer offer her mission over and over again to players.
The item "The Fourth Inspiration" built in the Level 30 Jenquai Promotion mission is now tech level 1 instead of tech level 3.
Clarified mission journal entry for stage 8 of the Fragments of the Final Inspiration mission (part of the Jenquai Promotion Bonus mission). It will now be made clear to the player that they (or their group) must do a majority of the damage to the Cenovar Gladiator in order to receive the final datacube fragment.
Fixed a bug that prevented Minor Red & Red Spindles from dropping the Hardened Spindle Hide needed to complete the "Kill Spindles" mission.
Fixed several resource mobs that were dropping refined resources, rather than their unrefined versions.
Fixed bug in Sai'li Raushna dialogue (Prasad Station, Xipe Totec).
Fixed a bug where the "Build a Chemical Inhibitor" mission from Maks Babin in Inverness Down sector was too difficult due to too many mobs ganging up on players.
Fixed bug in Moire Archer dialogue (Somerled Station, New Edinburgh) where Moire would ask player if they had found anything interesting, player would click "Actually..." and they'd get "secretknown~know miasma$?" in their player response line. This issue should no longer occur.
Fixed bug in Dumont ben Joseph dialogue (Swooping Eagle space). Previously, if player forfeited the "Inform Dumont That You Covered For Him" mission and then spoke to Dumont, player could continue speaking to him again and again, receiving Dumont's reward over and over. This problem has now been fixed, and if player forfeits the Inform mission but still returns to Dumont to tell him that he lied for him, player will only receive the rewards once.
Adjusted Laurel Provum dialogue (Arx Spartoi, Endriago space) so that all Progen Sentinels can now take both the Sabura Genesis Revealed mission and the Deliver Data to Cassel mission. Those Sentinels who side with Minda in training will be able to take these missions from Provum immediately. Others will need to be referred to Provum by Theodoric Cassel (Arx Tiberius, Tarsis). Also, all archetypes will now be able to take the Deliver Data to Cassel mission if they are referred to Provum by Cassel. Finally, Provum should no longer refer to non-Centuriata players as Centuriata.
Fixed bug in Ioanno-J Deinon dialogue (Porvenir Mons, Endriago Planet).
Fixed bug where, if player forfeited the Jenquai Promotion Bonus mission, they would receive an error message from Loremaster Daiki-ya (Tokai Saikutsu, Dahin Planet). Also fixed bug where, if player came to Daiki-ya with the first datacube fragment (from Monty duChampe) and a full inventory, they would receive a bug message and would be unable to complete the Promotion Bonus mission.
Added new dialogue for Davius Pournelle, in Somerled Station. Pournelle will buy Quantum Silk and will be interested in anything players learn from Moire Archer.
Fixed bug in Centurion Minda dialogue (Arx Prima, Mars Beta). After player finished leveling up (following completion of Minda's dish devil mission), it was possible to skip Minda's "side with the Centuriata" conversation by going directly back to Tovar. It will no longer be possible to skip this conversation - player will be forced to make a decision, one way or the other.
Fixed bug in Yun Panang dialogue (Tokai Saikutsu, Dahin Planet) where, if player responded with "Perhaps... but it is still a crime," mission would not properly advance and player would have to repeat talktree to complete the "Confront Yun Panang" mission.
Fixed bug in Master Ayam dialogue (Yasuragi, Swooping Eagle planet). If player chooses to lie on behalf of Dumont, player can complete the "Find and Scan Dumont ben Joseph" mission without having the Dumont DNA Datacube in inventory.
The Mirror of Introspection is removed when the "Yin-Yang of the Soul" mission is completed or forfeited.
Fixed problem in Sergeant Brown dialogue (Zweihander space) where player could give Brown the Gluhwein for the Enlistment Bonus 3 mission, then X out of the dialogue before Brown advanced the mission, leading to player being stuck on stage 8 of the mission.
Progen Explorers who are stuck with an ERROR message when talking to Andronicus Tyr may now move on to his skill training by speaking with him again.
Fixed a bug with the Grissom Meteoroligical Survey mission and not having to actually go to the Observatory.
Fixed problem where Daiki-ya (Tokai Saikutsu, Dahin Planet) suggests to players on the Jenquai Promotion Bonus mission that the First Inspiration can be found on a looter mob around Jove City. This is no longer the case. Daiki-ya now tells players to search the wrecks in the area instead.
Fixed a bug with the Datacube mission given by Katlyn Walsh in Somerled Station. The mission did not remove the datacube when forfeited, and since the cube was not tradeable or destroyable, it was stuck in the player's cargo. The mission now removes the item when forfeited, and the Datacube is now destroyable.
Fixed a bug in Katlyn Walsh's dialogue in New Edinburgh that was preventing her from completeing the "Retrieve Inverness Report" mission.
Fixed a bug where Gorge Larva were hard to find in Yokan sector for the Kill Gorge Larva mission. There will now always be Gorge Larva by the Net-7 beacon. You can also make more Gorge larva appear by killing Vorace Larva (about 10).
Fixed bugs related to full cargo holds (Kerbtier missions, Jenquai Level 30 Promotion Mission, Terran Level 30 Promotion Mission, Roland Holmes Mission, Inverness Scrapyard Mission)
Fixed a bug with Science Officer Sharik. She will now give you the correct reward for completing the "Finding Crystal Life" mission. Additionally, if you have multiple Kaige Chrysali in your hold, you can take the mission and then give them to her while on step 1 of the mission.
Fixed a bug with the transmission intercept mission when the user logs out in the middle.
Fixed a bug with Retrieve the Kidnapped Reporter mission if the user closes out of the dialogue early.
Find Lost Hunter Mission will no longer fail if the player is on stage 4 when their hunting pass runs out.
Gather Xai Xai Data will no longer fail if the player is on stage 3 when their data pass runs out.
Fixed a bug where mobs were killing the ProgeS transport in Asteroid Belt Gamma needed for the Masaaki's Vengeance mission.
Fixed a minor message bug with the Takashi Maru mission.
Fixed bug where, if player chooses the "How's life aboard a science station?" option on their first meeting with Ralla Sertris (Mercury Station, Glory's Orbit), player would not be able to get the trade button until they closed and then reopened the dialogue.
Guilds & Groups
Guild labels are now displayed in starbases.
Groups can now be formed in starbases.
Group status bars now display in starbases.
High level guild members will now contribute more xp to their guild than low level members.
Website improvements for guilds (new background choices for guild pages, admin improvements and help page, averaged stats for guild rankings are now available).
Fixed a bug where the guild interface slider is not updated properly.
Fixed the loss of guild tags if you lose connection while zoning.
Fixed a problem that would cause you to be unable to create a new guild if you were involved with a previous failed attempted at creating a guild.
Interface
Added new colors for various public channels to better difffentiate them.
The refining tutorial should work correctly now.
Improvements made to the starmap/galaxy map help feature.
Put an upper limit cap on the number of friends and people to ignore to 100.
Missile ammo maneuverability is now visible in item examination UI.
The commands /self tag now have the correct help entry. They used to be shown in the help as /show self tag and /hide self tag.
Added an icon to the default snare item effect.
Camera settings are now preserved when zoning.
Engines will move to sub-light position when gating from warp.
Particle effects (such as gas pockets and smoke from ships) will now show up in the targeting window.
Allows the docking and gating cameras to be interrupted if the user gets summoned. If the warp final destination is less than 15K units away the warp camera will not be activated.
The camera should no longer bounce when ship is being repaired in warp.
Fixed a bug that caused the "Failed to spawn mob ..." error message to appear in some sectors.
Fixed a bug that occurred when sending long tells and replies.
Fixed a bug causing nav map pathing problems in Yokan Sector.
Fix - Captains Log: Click in the Captain Log so the typing cursor appears. Tooltips no longer show when the user mouse-over buttons/objects. This is necessary for writing recipes into the journal.
Chat box - If the user scrolls up, and text keeps coming in, he will not be able to see the bottom text without expanding the chat box and dragging the scroll box down.
Chat window: The first time you scroll up in the chat box with the mouse wheel, the system scrolls to the very top of the text in the window instead of 1 line up.
Added spaces to start any lines in chat window that are not the first line to group message together.
Fixed the sorting of the Reply List in the Chat drop down box.
When bound at Jove's Fury and you accept a tow, it will no longer say Paren Station when you are wormholed back.
Fixed a bug where sometimes your Class Leader would pop up every time you gated.
Fixed a message bug while using the Arrojar Array. 'COMPUTER' will no longer be displayed twice.
Fixed bug where if you set your friends status as restricted, others can still see you logging in and out even if they are not on your friends list.
Fixed a bug that occurred when the galaxy nav map was expanded to full size.
Fixed a problem that sometimes caused the player-player trade window to display the incorrect name for the player you were trying to trade with.
Megan will no longer appear when players become incapacitated in game. Instead, different characters will appear to rescue players, dependent upon where they were registered.
Source:Site officiel
Par Loonna le 30/10/2002 à 14:56:23 (#2440868)
En tout cas, wow !!! Ca c'est du contenu de patch !!! :)
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 15:10:55 (#2441017)
Par Aino le 30/10/2002 à 15:20:32 (#2441083)
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 15:31:42 (#2441184)
A priori, y a des vendeurs de tada-o(big,strong,wow! :)) qui vont filer des quetes speciales
Par Gothmog le 30/10/2002 à 15:47:59 (#2441318)
Par Verso le 30/10/2002 à 15:52:21 (#2441359)
J'ai un peu de mal avec le pacific time :D .
V.
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 15:56:03 (#2441399)
Par buceilor le 30/10/2002 à 16:05:16 (#2441472)
c est a dire qu a 16h00 chez nous, il est 7h00 chez eux
donc a 17h00 chez eux ( heure de debut de l evenement ), il sera 26h00 chez nous, soit 2h00 du mat le 31 octobre
et cela se termninera a 0h01 chez eux, donc a 9h01 du matin le 01 novembre
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 16:10:34 (#2441523)
Par Loonna le 30/10/2002 à 16:10:44 (#2441527)
Provient du message de Marneus
Tu vois les explosions et les etincelles qui sortent d'un vaisseau endomagés dans la fenetre de ciblage, et sinon, ils ont mis des nouvelles explosions et de nouveaux "cadavres" en fonction de la bestiole
:amour:
*a très hâte d'être ce soir*
Par Aino le 30/10/2002 à 16:14:41 (#2441571)
Provient du message de buceilor
donc a 17h00 chez eux ( heure de debut de l evenement ), il sera 26h00 chez nous, soit 2h00 du mat le 31 octobre
Donc si je comprend bien : j'ai le temps ce soir de sortir faire la fete ::bouffon: :hardos: :rasta: :hardos: :bouffon: et de revenir chez moi pour l'event c'est bien ça :D
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 16:20:21 (#2441629)
Par Aino le 30/10/2002 à 16:29:29 (#2441708)
Provient du message de Marneus
Et tu peux meme aller au boulot demain :rolleyes:
je bosse pas demain :D
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 16:40:00 (#2441806)
Bon, ben prends des screens, et fait ton taf de webmistress en racontant kessispasse :)
Par Gothmog le 30/10/2002 à 16:45:50 (#2441857)
J'ai recup environ 5-10Mo avec le patcher et mon patch message au lancement a été updaté...:doute:
Par Rhan le 30/10/2002 à 16:56:33 (#2441984)
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 17:16:11 (#2442160)
M'enfin bon, au moins, il poste pour dire des choses intelligente lui :rolleyes: :D
Par Rhan le 30/10/2002 à 17:23:52 (#2442218)
c'est parce qu'il faut reconnaitre que nombre de gens sont plus ou moins à l'aise en anglais (n'est-ce pas rhan ;) )
Vengeance ! :enerve: :enerve: :enerve: :enerve:
au moins j'ai bien traduis, là!
ps: si ça vous dis une petite scene 3D pour le site, demandez ;)
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 17:27:57 (#2442262)
Moi je dis, jouer à un mmorpg en anglais, c l'un des meilleurs moyens de monter son niveau en anglais!
Et pis sinon, c'est toi qui m'avait dit que tt pas top a l'aise en anglais ;)
Par Aino le 30/10/2002 à 17:49:21 (#2442425)
Provient du message de Marneus
Po juste
Bon, ben prends des screens, et fait ton taf de webmistress en racontant kessispasse :)
jaloux !
Ben j'suis webmestresse pas redactrice c'est ton boulot ed faire les articles :p
Par contre je vais tenter de prendre un max de screenshot :)
Par Llewellen le 30/10/2002 à 20:39:24 (#2443838)
- vous pouvez être arrêté et attaqué pendant un warp
- apparemment, la trade route Somerled - Fenris en a pris pour son grade (apparemment sans la skill Negotiate, ça devient vraiment plus interessant de trader)
- les mobs utilisent les attaquent spéciales (gravity link et menace entre autre) beaucoup plus (j'ai été gravity link et menacé par un red dragon lvl 31, pourtant, je les ai croisé pré-patch et j'ai jamais eu ça, je vous garanti la mort assurée lors de vos prospection pour du minerai
- probablement beaucoup d'autres choses cachées
- le bug du guild chat toujours là
- ...
Par Marneus le 30/10/2002 à 20:53:25 (#2443937)
Des fois il switch de nouveau sur le broadcast, mais suffit de revenir sur le guild
Tu peux me dire où tu as vu que somerled-fenris ne marchait plus?
Et sinon, pour ceux qui n'ont pas negociate, le trade n'a pas changé, c'est pour ceux qui l'on que ca a changé, et c'est devenu plus interessant
Les attaques speciales des monstres, c un peu normal qu'ils les utilisent, je vois pas le bleme
Se faire arreter et attaquer en warp, moi je trouve ca fun, toi qui trouve ca tellement chiant les trade routes, ca ajoute du piquant
Par Llewellen le 30/10/2002 à 21:01:20 (#2443976)
Pour ma part, si ça reste pareil, j'arrête ce jeu. Prospecter ne rapportait pas grand chose avant. Je suis monté a shield 6 pour avoir une chance de ne pas me faire one-shot pendant que je prospectais, maintenant je risque à nouveau ma peau quand un mob m'aggro. Je jour pas pour passer mon temps à rembourser un xp debt que j'ai eu grâce à ce super patch.
De plus, beaucoup trop de choses IMPORTANTES ont été modifiés sans que ce soit indiqué dans la release note du patch, c'est un peu se foutre de la gueule du monde.
Enfin, je verrais ça dimanche soir, pour aujourd'hui, j'arrête, je me suis fait tuer par un mob lvl 31.
PS : un warrior qui a dû passer le combat lvl 40 a dit s'être fait démolir par un arrêt pendant son warp.
PPS : avant, le warp était chiant, mais on pouvait aller aux toilelttes pendant ce temps, maintenant faut rester à regarder bêtement son écran, j'appelle pas ça mettre du piquant, j'appelle ça se faire chier :p
Par pifou le 31/10/2002 à 1:10:13 (#2445458)
Par Jabberwock le 31/10/2002 à 9:14:13 (#2446539)
On sait qu'ils sont assez réactifs alors ne dites pas que vous allez tout lacher sous prétexte d'un ptit problème. C déja assez impressionant (mais normal) qu'il n'y ai pas eu de gros bug a la release alors rapellez vopus c points positifs avant de mettre vos CD a la poubelle:doute:
Par Marneus le 31/10/2002 à 10:18:28 (#2446911)
Par Llewellen le 31/10/2002 à 10:21:10 (#2446928)
Peut-être un jour Westwood va découvrir l'intérêt d'un serveur de test live.
Par contre, y'a un bug super utile :
quand vous êtes tués, il est possible de se déplacer en arrière, c'est sympa pour se mettre loin d'un mob avant d'activer sa balise de détresse.
Par Marneus le 31/10/2002 à 10:31:53 (#2447015)
Par Llewellen le 31/10/2002 à 11:18:15 (#2447361)
Mais dans le cas d'un jeu online, ça ne suffit justement pas. Westwood aurait du s'inspirer de ce qui se faisait autour, notamment Mythic avec son serveur de test (ben oui, l'un des rares trucs qui sont vraiment bien sur DAoC, c'est qu'on est au courant des changements réel AVANT que ça ne soit mis en live).
D'autre part, je sais par expérience que si une chose n'a pas été prévu au départ du développement, ça devient un vrai merdier à rajouter par la suite. Donc j'espère que Westwood a prévu un serveur de test dès le départ, parce que sinon, ça va ramer pour le sortir :D
Par Marneus le 31/10/2002 à 11:24:02 (#2447404)
Par Jabberwock le 31/10/2002 à 11:27:02 (#2447421)
Par Llewellen le 31/10/2002 à 11:31:35 (#2447456)
Par Marneus le 31/10/2002 à 11:32:56 (#2447462)
Par Rhan le 31/10/2002 à 12:08:00 (#2447780)
Llew aurait déjà oublié les prémices de DAOC qui puait le bug partout ? les patch tant attendus qui mettaient une plombe a venir ? les super plantage des serveurs goa avec leur bande passante 1GO ?
comparativement.. le beta test E&B refletait deja le serieux que les dev mettaient dans ce jeu par sa qualité, et encore apres le patch du 30 ils ont passés 2 ou 3 heures a tester si les modif fonctionnaient mais savons nous vraiment ce qui est en cause ? ce n'est pas un peu présomptueux de juger un team technique sur la seule base de notre interaction de joueur ? de plus dans la soirée un message a été envoyé pour recorriger ce patch. en meme pas un jour il se sont remit en question et ce matin ils testent le correctif, si ce n'est pas un service tech de qualité alors dites moi!
hier j'ai entendu la meme phrase d'arog "si c'est comme ça je pars" et je trouve ça bien dommage, ce n'est qu'un jeu et tout jeu se corrige.
Si tu es comme dit marn' dans le domaine de l'info llew, tu dois savoir mieux que quiconque le bordel qui se passe dans une team tech quand une modif n'a pas fonctionner comme on le prevoyaitet comme tu le dis si bien, les contraintes techniques se rajoutant.
Moi je ne jette pas la pierre, encourageons les pour continuer leur investissement dans ce jeu !
si je ne m'abuse, c'est le premier MMORPG de WW non ?
Ljd, positif
Par Jabberwock le 31/10/2002 à 12:12:34 (#2447832)
Bon pour la traduction du patch du patch je m'y suis collé et ca devrait arrivé bientôt, peut être sur le site d'ailleurs. Au fait pourquoi le site est toujours pas annoncé officiellement?
Par Llewellen le 31/10/2002 à 12:16:35 (#2447862)
Pour le reste, je me laisse une semaine pour continuer à jouer, si y'a rien qui change, j'irais voir ailleurs, c'est tout :D
Le vrai problème de ce patch, c'est que pour beaucoup, c'était mieux avant. Se pose donc la question de l'utilité de ce patch.
Effectivement, comme tu l'as dit, ce n'est qu'un jeu. Cependant, comme j'ai aussi lu ailleurs, un jeu offline buggé, je peux le ramener pour me faire rembourser, pour un jeu online, nada. D'autre part, dire que tout ce corrige, je suis d'accord, mais moi, je ne tend pas l'autre joue pour recevoir une autre baffe, c'est aussi simple que ça.
Et pour bosser dans l'info, je sais qu'on ne met jamais en live un truc qui a été testé par le service QA.
On passe d'abord sur une machine de test en condition "quasi réelle" (également appelée "recette usine"), on ne se limite pas à la phase de qualification interne.
Enfin, si une anomalie grave est détecté à la mise en live, on fait machine arrière et on remet la version précédente, on laisse pas les bugs trainer.
PS : je fais du développement pour la sécurité bancaire, je me demande ce que les gens diraient si, pour la carte bancaire, on laissait une application bancaire buggée en disant "pas de pb, on bosse sur la correction"
Par Aino le 31/10/2002 à 12:23:57 (#2447921)
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PS : je fais du développement pour la sécurité bancaire, je me demande ce que les gens diraient si, pour la carte bancaire, on laissait une application bancaire buggée en disant "pas de pb, on bosse sur la correction"
Moi j'aime bien voir le distributeur de billets avec un bel ecran beau Windows :D
je me doute que Llewellen ne bosse pas la dedans mais je voulais le dire
Par Rhan le 31/10/2002 à 12:24:05 (#2447922)
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PS : je fais du développement pour la sécurité bancaire, je me demande ce que les gens diraient si, pour la carte bancaire, on laissait une application bancaire buggée en disant "pas de pb, on bosse sur la correction"
ce n'est pas comparable ;) ta carte est nécéssaire dans la vie courante, pas le jeu mais je comprend ton idée.
m'enfin ca serait dommage de perdre notre prospecteuse lobotomisée pour rien, vu que ça va etre corrigé ;)
Ton chef d'equipe doit déteindre sur toi vu ton empressement :mdr: :rasta:
c'est un peu comme : ma voiture electrique (jouet) que je viens d'acheter a un bug! je dois la renvoyer en usine pour reparation / ma voiture personnelle que je viens d'acheter a des merdes ! je dois la renvoyer au garage pour reparation
Ljd, qui pensera a baillonner et enchainer LLew pour qu'elle attende le correctif au lieu de s'exciter ;)
Par Llewellen le 31/10/2002 à 13:16:29 (#2448410)
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ce n'est pas comparable ;) ta carte est nécéssaire dans la vie courante, pas le jeu mais je comprend ton idée.
Détrompes-toi, la carte bancaire n'est aucunement nécessaire, tu peux n'utiliser que de l'argent liquide, voire un chéquier.
Aino, j'aimerais bien te voir devant un distributeur de billet qui a planté APRES avoir avalé ta carte :D
Par Rhan le 31/10/2002 à 13:20:36 (#2448451)
mais bon la on est hors sujet :p
Par Aino le 31/10/2002 à 13:42:34 (#2448650)
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Aino, j'aimerais bien te voir devant un distributeur de billet qui a planté APRES avoir avalé ta carte :D
Je le demonte au tourne-vis de precision :mdr:
Plus serieusement je peux que je dirais : "Et Merde !" et que je fouttrais un gros coup de pied au distributeur. Le lendemain je telephone a la banque en question pour qu'il m'envoie ma carte en recommander et si ils ne veulent pas (ce qui est presque sure) je vais les voir et je leur tape un scandale dans la hall :Dbeurk il faut etre suicidaire pour payer avec du liquide en euro
Mais non c'est bien l'Euro, on se retrouve avec pleins de pieces dans le fond du porte-monnaie ce qui les usent plus vite ce qui relance la production de morte monnaie ce qui a pour effet de relancer l'economie mondiale :maboule:
Bon sur ce, on essait de revenir un peu au sujet du post ;)
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